Columnist Tom Hoffarth, of The Los Angeles Daily News, is the city’s go-to guy for all things sports media – the absolute best – and a personal friend. No one has supported my baseball-related efforts, like the “Statue for Sandy” Koufax e-petition and the Internet Baseball Writers Association of America (IBWAA – new website coming next month) like Tom.

And this isn’t a shoot-the-messenger post, of course. But someone’s attacking the Dodgers for no good reason and I’m riled up. Especially considering that for the eight years leading up to May 1, 2012, there have been so many legitimate reasons for gripes aimed at ownership, I thought I’d stand up for the Blue here, when there isn’t one.

In this afternoon’s blog, Hoffarth discusses Tom Clavin and Danny Peary’s new book, “Gil Hodges: The Brooklyn Bums, The Miracle Mets and the Extraordinary Life of a Baseball Legend,” highlighting the authors’ contention that the great Brooklyn and Los Angeles Dodgers first baseman deserves enshrining in the Baseball Hall of Fame.

That’s all fine and dandy, and absolutely a debate worth having. No one questions the politics and general strangeness of the Veterans Committee, and its various incarnations, more than I. We can discuss the voting by the Baseball Writers’ Association of American (BBWAA) another time, and we will. But suffice it to say, I didn’t create the IBWAA in 2009 for nothing, pal.

But back to Gil. Since I’m a Dodger fan, I try to be objective when it comes to our guys, and not say simply “yes, yes, yes” each time. Steve Garvey, for example, I believe to be a Hall of Famer – very much so – and Bill Buckner, my absolute favorite player ever, a near miss. I’m on the fence with Hodges. I’d be fine with him at Cooperstown, but I understand the argument, if we can call it that, against.

Buzzie Bavasi told me on more than one occasion, and in no uncertain terms, that Hodges was every bit the Cooperstown-worthy Dodger, comparing him favorably to Tony Perez, and emphasizing that he lost three seasons at the beginning of his career to World War II. As if he was being penalized for being of service to his country. Basasi really ought to be in Cooperstown too, by the way.

For a concise argument in favor of Gil, also comparing him to Perez, we turn to Tom Verducci, on SI.com a few years ago: “How good was Hodges? Think of him as a better version of Hall of Famer Tony Perez — better plate discipline, better power and a better glove. He outslugged Perez (.487, .463), reached base more often (.359, .341), made more All-Star teams (eight, seven), won more Gold Gloves (three, zero) and had just as many 100-RBI seasons (seven). At the time of his retirement Hodges was the all-time NL leader in home runs among right-handed hitters. He was the premier defensive first baseman of his era and — as part of his overall contribution to the game, which must be considered — he was a highly respected manager who crafted one of the most unlikely world championships in history (the 1969 Mets) and he was the idol of many baseball fans for his integrity and character.”

But look, the Hodges-is-or-isn’t-a-Hall-of-Famer discussion is one thing, blaming the Dodgers even remotely is something else indeed. Doing so in a book, where you can’t go in and click delete, is just plain lame.

Here’s the section in question from Hoffarth’s article. The first two paragraphs are Tom’s; the rest, in quote marks, are Clavin and Peary’s:

One of the arguments made by the authors on page 374 centers on an on-going debate about why the franchise waits to retire numbers until after someone is voted into the Hall.

Meaning, Hodges’ [#14] is not among those honored along the roof of the left and right-field pavilion:

“If the writers and veterans have an excuse for their faulty voting over the years in regard to Hodges, it is that the Los Angeles Dodgers have never retired his number. The Mets did so, but not the organization he belonged to for 20 years. The Dodgers’ backward policy, even during the years of Walter O’Malley and then his son Peter O’Malley ran the team, was to retire uniform numbers only after a player had been voted into Cooperstown.

“Essentially, they continue to outsource the Hodges vote to younger sportswriters who never saw him play. The Dodgers did break their policy and retired Jim Gilliam’s number. Their choosing Gilliam, who was popular for years as a player and coach in Los Angeles, and not Hodges deserves an explanation that has never been given.

“Meanwhile, Hall of Fame voters have been able to say: If the Dodgers don’t even consider Hodges for their Hall of Fame, there’s no reason I should consider him for ours.”

First of all, the Dodgers don’t have a Hall of Fame. C’mon guys, you ought to know that. And the team isn’t responsible for the voting of writers or former baseball players in a committee slash smoke-filled room. What a ridiculous idea.

More importantly, the club’s policy about retiring numbers isn’t “backward.” Just because the player you want isn’t honored the way you want doesn’t make the policy backward, or controversial in the least.

Sandy Koufax was enshrined in Cooperstown in 1972. The same year the Dodgers, led by Walter O’Malley, thought it would be a good idea to retire Sandy’s number (can you blame them?) and did so in a ceremony at Dodger Stadium that same summer.

Since Jackie Robinson and Roy Campanella had already been elected to the Hall, in 1962 and 1969 respectively, and since both men were working with the club at the time, it was decided to make the retiring-number event into a threesome. Uniform numbers 32, 39 and 42 were retired together. And a tradition was born. Kind of.

Walter Alston’s number 24 was next, in 1977, which was actually six years before his election into the Hall of Fame. But Alston was an obvious future Hall of Famer, he had just hung em up the previous September, it was clear the number would never be used again, and the club went ahead with the thoroughly-deserved honor, retiring Smokey’s uniform ahead of enshrinement.

As for Jim Gilliam, the authors’ claim that the Dodgers “choosing Gilliam, who was popular for years as a player and coach in Los Angeles, and not Hodges deserves an explanation that has never been given” is truly unfortunate.

Gilliam, while still coaching for the team, died suddenly at 49, October 8, 1977, right smack dab in the middle of the National League Championship Series between the Dodgers and Philadelphia Phillies. Can you imagine the shock to the club, losing its third base coach – and with Gilliam’s arrival in Brooklyn in 1953, playing until 1966 and coaching through to the day he died – its longest serving team member?

It was as a special honor in memoriam to Gilliam that the Dodgers retired his number a year later, on October 10, 1978, before the playing of the first game of a little thing called the World Series. So Gilliam wasn’t an actual member of the Baseball Hall of Fame. That was absolutely the right thing for the Dodgers to do, and a beautiful thing, exactly what you’d expect from the O’Malleys.

Later, as Duke Snider, Don Drysdale, Pee Wee Reese, Don Sutton and Tommy Lasorda were honored in upstate New York, they were so honored in Los Angeles by the franchise for which they performed. Perhaps about a year from now Mike Piazza will be next, and number 31 will be worn no more. I’m quite sure Brandon League will understand.

If the Dodgers retired the numbers of all their greats, today’s players wouldn’t have a thing to wear. And we don’t want that.

I’d like to see Maury Wills in the Hall one day, and if so, we’ll have number 30 retired promptly. Fernando Valenzuela’s 34 isn’t retired, Neither is Steve Garvey’s number 6. And you don’t hear Don Newcombe – who lost years to both the service and the Negro Leagues – complaining about the number 36.

A couple of uninformed writers shouldn’t be whining about # 14 either. In fact, they owe the Dodgers an apology.

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oh poor girl

August 30, 2012 7:00 pm

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vin’s granddaughter should cut meat for a living and give up singing.

August 30, 2012 7:05 pm

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the queso grande is in the house. now, I want ZERO runs in the first inning please.

August 30, 2012 7:11 pm

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 @Howard Cole
 in the top half anyway

August 30, 2012 7:12 pm

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@rotarandy I literally caught the last three words, so I couldn’t tell. but the smile on vinny’s face was worth the price of admission…especially since there wasn’t one.

August 30, 2012 7:12 pm

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 @Howard Cole  @rotarandy
 his smile started at the end  he was mortifed during as was her whole family

August 30, 2012 7:14 pm

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pay attention please. I said ZERO RUNS IN THE FIRST PLEASE!

August 30, 2012 7:14 pm

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@rotarandy oh no. I’ll look for the replay later.

August 30, 2012 7:15 pm

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what’s he doing?

August 30, 2012 7:16 pm

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a late arriving thread crowd. or it’s just you and me randy.

August 30, 2012 7:17 pm

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 @Howard Cole
 i think my dis of the girl lost you 5 listeners

August 30, 2012 7:20 pm

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@rotarandy yeah! your fault! slacker.

August 30, 2012 7:21 pm

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victorino with another crappy one pitch at bat. I really thought he was going to be much better than he’s been.

August 30, 2012 7:23 pm

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vin just called ian kennedy “kevin.”

August 30, 2012 7:23 pm

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you hear that freudian slip by vin just there? wow.

August 30, 2012 7:31 pm

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 @Howard Cole
 missed it

August 30, 2012 7:32 pm

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he called kershaw “koufax.” he kind of laughed as he did it, as if to say, “oh shit” but didn’t correct himself. interesting.

August 30, 2012 7:35 pm

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 @Howard Cole
 that is a wow..i think  we are seeing a great 84 year  old fade…

August 30, 2012 7:37 pm

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 @Howard Cole
 i dont mean a dis here…

August 30, 2012 7:39 pm

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@rotarandy but he’s still better than the alternative.

August 30, 2012 7:43 pm

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just got lucky there. that shoulda been a double.

August 30, 2012 7:43 pm

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@rotarandy I think it’s ok to talk about these things.

August 30, 2012 7:45 pm

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awful play. he takes forever to get rid of the baseball.

August 30, 2012 7:46 pm

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 @Howard Cole  @rotarandy
 i think  he only  does the radio part for three inning  then he can slow down ??

August 30, 2012 7:48 pm

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Well, so far this sucks.

August 30, 2012 7:51 pm

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This look like a rally!
 

August 30, 2012 7:59 pm

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 @DeathByYoungblood
 lost my feed .update when you can please

August 30, 2012 8:00 pm

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really does suck. honestly, I think we’re getting pretty close to the end. of course with baseball thing can change, and change a bunch of times, but they just come home and stink after every trip. and they’re really down to one good starter. and the pen is a mess. and the offense is a bit of a mess. and the giants are winning. other than that…

August 30, 2012 8:01 pm

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 @rotarandy  Two outs and Kershaw is on 1st.  Punto up.

August 30, 2012 8:01 pm

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and in case you missed it, hanley can’t play short.

August 30, 2012 8:01 pm

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Hey, at least Ethier didn’t run into the wall…

August 30, 2012 8:05 pm

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And, once again, as good as Kershaw is, he seems to get hit hard a handful of times each game.

August 30, 2012 8:06 pm

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@DeathByYoungblood kemp looked like an idiot on both of those plays in denver. the first one even more.

August 30, 2012 8:07 pm

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And still no Dodger hits…

August 30, 2012 8:08 pm

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yep. and this game is now in jeopardy already. he pretty much needed a shutout. getting behind mid game is a huge problem the way they’re playing now. with each day the division seems that much more impossible. wild card? who the hell cares? they could back into it.

August 30, 2012 8:09 pm

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And, another hard hit ball off our almost Koufax…

August 30, 2012 8:09 pm

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Man, dem dodgers are just one big hittin’ machine tonight.

August 30, 2012 8:09 pm

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giants know this feeling from a few years ago. when your ace doesn’t win, it’s a disaster because you can’t rely on the rest of the rotation. I’m beyond discouraged. I’m resigned now. i just don’t see a way out of this problem.

August 30, 2012 8:10 pm

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We’re reduced to hoping Kennedy rusts on the bench during a long inning.

August 30, 2012 8:13 pm

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he’s still bunting.

August 30, 2012 8:14 pm

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 @Howard Cole
 first sentence above is right on, perfect.  says it all.  when does Billingsley get back.  they need him bad

August 30, 2012 8:15 pm

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@Tom in San Mateo might not. he had a plalet thing injection today. could be back in 10 days, or never. probably somewhere in between.

August 30, 2012 8:18 pm

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 @Howard Cole
 ain’t Buzzsaw’s fault.  grant, Kennedy is good pitcher but the D’s batters gotta wake up.  get the lumber rollin’

August 30, 2012 8:18 pm

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game saver there. 2-0 is a big challenge, but 4-0 is impossible. and kersh has two more innings.

August 30, 2012 8:19 pm

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little looping pitch there, timed for a single. nice start to the inning. hr please.

August 30, 2012 8:21 pm

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G’s – ‘stros final – 8 – 4

August 30, 2012 8:26 pm

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@Tom in San Mateo well kersh has given up seven hits, two walks and a balk in four innings. plus 78 pitches. he’s entitled, but it’s not good for this game.

August 30, 2012 8:27 pm

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yep. they’re completely earning the division. well, except for the cheaters. but as much as they can be deserving of the division, they are. and the dodgers clearly are not. at all.

August 30, 2012 8:31 pm

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Well, this is a game I probably won’t watch from the archives.

August 30, 2012 8:35 pm

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I wouldn’t watch it right now if I was smart. in fact, I think I’ll shower during the bottom of the inning. I won’t miss much, but i’ll have to hurry.

August 30, 2012 8:39 pm

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 @Howard Cole It is good to know there are clean Angelinos.

August 30, 2012 8:41 pm

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 @Howard Cole Angelenos?

August 30, 2012 8:41 pm

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@Johnny Dodger my brother used to ask: how do you make howard cleaner? put an s in front of him because then he’d be showered.

August 30, 2012 8:47 pm

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c’mon kersh! you need to hit!

August 30, 2012 8:49 pm

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When you make the moves the Dodgers have made and stumble like they’re doing, it’s worse than being totally out of it all season.  The Red Sox had lots of talent and couldn’t put it together.  We better not become the Red Sox.

August 30, 2012 8:52 pm

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they won’t be the red sox. closer to a combo of padres (gonzalez) and rays (crawford), with a little beckett thrown in. just because it didn’t come together this quickly, doesn’t mean it won’t help them next year and beyond. next offseason will be their easiest in years. two starting pitchers, being the big thing. probably get kuroda back for one more year.

August 30, 2012 8:59 pm

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nine hits in five and a third. that a ton for kersh. but if he gets out of this inning, with two runs on the night, that’s good enough…for a bad night.

August 30, 2012 9:00 pm

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 @Howard Cole  I didn’t expect everything to come together – there’s nothing they can do about the pitching.  It’s just that when you replace Loney with Gonzo, the revolving door in left with Victorino, and add Ramirez to the middle of your line-up, you’d  think it would be better than this.  

August 30, 2012 9:07 pm

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@DeathByYoungblood yep. I totally agree. it’s just that we need it instantly, and you can’t really expect that. what if gonzalez hits .300 with 6 homers and 20 rbis in his five weeks or so? nothing wrong with that, but we need it right now, yesterday, and if it doesn’t come right away it’s a disaster. as for victorino, well, he’s been a huge disappointment. not at all what I expected.

August 30, 2012 9:10 pm

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 @Howard Cole  @DeathByYoungblood  This is the Victorino that Philly didn’t want to pay.

August 30, 2012 9:14 pm

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@DeathByYoungblood I’m still surprised. I was wrong about the guy. it’s almost dodgers disease is some catagion. you come to l.a. you suck.

August 30, 2012 9:15 pm

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f a guy gives up 4 runs a game, is it to much to ask for the Dodgers to just get half that many?

August 30, 2012 9:24 pm

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If a guy gives up 4 runs a game, is it too much to ask for the Dodgers to just get half that many?

August 30, 2012 9:27 pm

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I blinked and the rally was OVER.

August 30, 2012 9:35 pm

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@DeathByYoungblood they just stink. they just stink. it’s so disheartening. arizona’s lost six in a row and has been playing like shit. so of course, we cure them immediately.

August 30, 2012 9:36 pm

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I’m excited though.  UCLA football started tonight (49-24 Bruins), the NFL starts next Wed, and Laker and UCLA basketball are just around the corner.  Oh, and before we know it the Kings will be defending their Stanley Cup!

August 30, 2012 9:36 pm

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Well, not a big thing for Dodger-Ram fans, but for Dodger-49er fans, SF 35-0 over SD going into the 4th quarter.
I can’t think of anything good about the baseball game, unless you’re an Arizona fan..

August 30, 2012 9:37 pm

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@DeathByYoungblood nfl? what nfl? I’m not rooting for the rams while they’re in missouri. and I don’t expect ucla to be much better than a .500 team. do you?

August 30, 2012 9:37 pm

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 @Howard Cole  @DeathByYoungblood WHAT NFL? Red & Gold, baby!

August 30, 2012 9:38 pm

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 @Johnny Dodger The 9ers are ready.  I hate them worse then baby cancer, but they’re gonna be in the Superbowl picture again.

August 30, 2012 9:38 pm

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@Johnny Dodger it’s just the same ole, same ole. they just look like a second place team, and not a convincing one. I don’t know how the hell I’m gonna fill me time starting the first week of october.

August 30, 2012 9:38 pm

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 @DeathByYoungblood It’s a mortal sin to hate God’s team  :-)

August 30, 2012 9:39 pm

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@Johnny Dodger @DeathByYoungblood god doesn’t have a team…at least, not in football.

August 30, 2012 9:40 pm

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 @Johnny Dodger  Well, that’s OK, I don’t believe in God…

August 30, 2012 9:40 pm

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@Johnny Dodger @DeathByYoungblood sure, cardinal and gold, the minnesota gophers. I think they’re the gophers.

August 30, 2012 9:41 pm

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hanley made a nice play, actually. and he made one yesterday too.

August 30, 2012 9:42 pm

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 @Howard Cole  @DeathByYoungblood If UCLA football goes .500 I won’t be upset.  First year with Mora and Hundley under center.  They’ve got a lot of talent on offense, but their D is thin.  I’m calling it now – they’re gonna beat SC next year.  Seriously.  Hundley is that talented.

August 30, 2012 9:44 pm

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Personally, I was thinking this was the year of the Dodgers AND 49ers – looks like my Dodger hopes are fading fast.
Remember when ESPN’s POFF for the Dodgers was 95%? 26.8% before this game.

August 30, 2012 9:45 pm

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@Johnny Dodger probably be 18.8% in ten minutes.

August 30, 2012 9:46 pm

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@DeathByYoungblood bruins hoops, on the other hand, I have confidence for this one year. one and done.

August 30, 2012 9:47 pm

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it shouldn’t make that much of a difference, but i’m actually looking forward to getting some fresh blood in here when the rosters expand. will be interesting to see what they do with sands and rubby, since they’re players to be named later. but they’re playing in the minors.

August 30, 2012 9:48 pm

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come to think of it, maybe they get hurt and boston asks for somebody else.

August 30, 2012 9:48 pm

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Our Dodgers are not swavory.

August 30, 2012 9:52 pm

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 @Howard Cole Nonookie…

August 30, 2012 9:56 pm

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dare I say ninth inning rally?

August 30, 2012 10:05 pm

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An Ethier walkoff like the good old days?

August 30, 2012 10:06 pm

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Anybody wearing a hat on backwards?

August 30, 2012 10:08 pm

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@DeathByYoungblood almost. missed it by 300 feet.

August 30, 2012 10:08 pm

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we could really use a balk or a wild pitch now to make the dp impossible.

August 30, 2012 10:08 pm

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and I still say they should trade for putz right now.

August 30, 2012 10:09 pm

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I’d settlefor a Cruz walkoff.

August 30, 2012 10:10 pm

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beto duran tweets they’re 2-50 trailing after 8. oy.

August 30, 2012 10:10 pm

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Settle for

August 30, 2012 10:10 pm

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will we see kemp???!!!!

August 30, 2012 10:11 pm

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Sigh…

August 30, 2012 10:16 pm

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God, this is nasty/horrible/depressing.

August 30, 2012 10:17 pm

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@Johnny Dodger yep.

August 30, 2012 10:18 pm

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@DeathByYoungblood yep.

August 30, 2012 10:18 pm

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 @Howard Cole  @Johnny Now 22.3%.

August 30, 2012 11:27 pm

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ready for more ???????

August 31, 2012 7:05 pm

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ghost town..

August 31, 2012 7:24 pm

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I don’t really feel like watching another exercise in futility but I’ll give it a while.
And here we go.

August 31, 2012 7:32 pm

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Two runs is probably overkill against these Dodgers.

August 31, 2012 8:23 pm

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OK – 3-0 is enough for me…I’ll check the score later.  I have things I could be doing that I know would be more rewarding than this.
Goodnight, anyone who’s still here.

August 31, 2012 8:30 pm

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just checked into our hotel for anniversary weekend. no dodgers on the tv behind the orange curtain, but it’s just as well. I can see on espn.com how bad it is. same as yesterday. I’ll keep checking but I really do think this weekend ends the season. they’ll be at best seven games over .500, and the division will be history. the wild card? maybe, but I doubt it.

not gonna let it ruin my vacation. ok, maybe a little. pitchers and catchers report feburary 16.

August 31, 2012 8:40 pm

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he hit it

August 31, 2012 9:14 pm

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3-3 tie bottom of 7th

August 31, 2012 9:26 pm

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Gonzalez, Ramirez and Victorino are tearing it up again…

August 31, 2012 9:29 pm

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just got out of the jacuzzi. they must do better when I’m not watching. wtf.

August 31, 2012 9:32 pm

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 @Howard Cole  Nice – it’s good to be the king.

August 31, 2012 9:38 pm

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@DeathByYoungblood I AM the king.

August 31, 2012 9:40 pm

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so i assume the deadline passed on we got nothing?

August 31, 2012 9:41 pm

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and beli is about to lose it for us after a comeback.

August 31, 2012 9:41 pm

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This is a recipe for bad…

August 31, 2012 9:42 pm

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Whew…

August 31, 2012 9:45 pm

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shoot, I just realized I had prime ticket in the room. they told me at the desk they didn’t have it. not sure I’m glad.

August 31, 2012 9:54 pm

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well if mattingly’s going to toss beli out for two innings every time, there’s zero chance of it working. plus, he’ll burn out faster than you can say gil hodges. lame.

August 31, 2012 9:59 pm

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Cruuuuuuz…

August 31, 2012 9:59 pm

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no shit, man. I love that guy. what more can he possibly do?

August 31, 2012 10:00 pm

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 @Howard Cole  Go back in the jacuzzi…

August 31, 2012 10:00 pm

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actually, I know what he can do. he can hit a walkoff in the bottom of the ninth.

August 31, 2012 10:00 pm

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 @Howard Cole  Help me move.

August 31, 2012 10:00 pm

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and for the record, you’ll see it spelled walk off, walk-off and walkoff. I prefer the latter. I know, that’s exciting stuff.

August 31, 2012 10:01 pm

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 @Howard Cole  I’ve got Putz on my fantasy team and everything is going wrong this week.  So, I expect Putz to choke tonight.

August 31, 2012 10:02 pm

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@DeathByYoungblood he should be on the dodgers right now.

August 31, 2012 10:16 pm

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whatever adjustment league needed to make, it sure likes he’s made it. damn nice tenth.

August 31, 2012 10:21 pm

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ok lets see that walkoff and not a wrackoff.

August 31, 2012 10:22 pm

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@rotarandy I don’t even know what a wrackoff is…but I’m not sure I want you to tell me.

August 31, 2012 10:23 pm

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 @Howard Cole  @rotarandy
 never could spell

August 31, 2012 10:24 pm

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a walk will be just fine. now he’s gotta steal. and come home on a single.

August 31, 2012 10:27 pm

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 @Howard Cole
 now he should whack it..

August 31, 2012 10:28 pm

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He’s due…

August 31, 2012 10:29 pm

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To receive a very large check…

August 31, 2012 10:29 pm

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They get paid on Fridays…

August 31, 2012 10:29 pm

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Oyyy

August 31, 2012 10:30 pm

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shit instead of hit.

August 31, 2012 10:31 pm

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oy. seems like 11 innings is too much to ask. and shoot, guerrier hasn’t pitched in ages. no idea what to expect. actually, I kinda do.

August 31, 2012 10:32 pm

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there ya go. game over. again.

August 31, 2012 10:34 pm

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what are ya gonna do?

August 31, 2012 10:38 pm

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I checked back to see what the final score was, just in time to watch Guerrier, on his return, make it 4-3.

August 31, 2012 10:39 pm

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@Johnny Dodger good timing. in the meantime, I discovered this. I mean, i got nothing better to do.

http://www.kemps.com/

August 31, 2012 10:41 pm

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I blame God.  He/she/it always gets the credit, but never gets the blame.  God, you’re on the clock!

August 31, 2012 10:41 pm

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 @Howard Cole  @Johnny Ha! That’s a heavy duty family of Kemps.

August 31, 2012 10:42 pm

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And Mattingly too…

August 31, 2012 10:42 pm

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Kemp is playing like something isn’t quite right – like he ran full speed into a wall or something.

August 31, 2012 10:43 pm

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@DeathByYoungblood which was lame in the first place. both times.

August 31, 2012 10:45 pm

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they get yet another chance. dp or homer for andre? quick. which is it?

August 31, 2012 10:46 pm

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 @Howard Cole
 homer

August 31, 2012 10:46 pm

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remember when andre used to walkoff all the time?

August 31, 2012 10:47 pm

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he’s not running with one out. they want to keep the first baseman on the bag, don’t they?

August 31, 2012 10:48 pm

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 @Howard Cole Yes – yes I do.

August 31, 2012 10:48 pm

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@Johnny Dodger yeah, so what are ya gonna do about it.

August 31, 2012 10:49 pm

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 @Howard Cole  @Johnny Have another beer.

August 31, 2012 10:50 pm

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I think I’ll save off 90 percent of my beard to match jj putz. the putz.

August 31, 2012 10:50 pm

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@Johnny Dodger @Johnny I’ll h ave another generic diet cola. almost as good.

August 31, 2012 10:52 pm

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good thing they didn’t send him. game would be over right now.

August 31, 2012 10:52 pm

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and if cruz can’t do it, no one can.

August 31, 2012 10:52 pm

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I really hate to see Kemp and Ethier both fail so miserably.  I  feel like booing also, except they wouldn’t hear me.

August 31, 2012 10:55 pm

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#&%#

August 31, 2012 10:55 pm

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#@&%#$!!!

August 31, 2012 10:56 pm

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 @DeathByYoungblood
 you can say that again

August 31, 2012 10:56 pm

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cruz is bleeping great. it’s up to aj

August 31, 2012 10:56 pm

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They’re just messing with us…

August 31, 2012 10:56 pm

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putz sure doesn’t make it easy, does he?

August 31, 2012 10:57 pm

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 @Howard Cole  Yeah, if Cruz is the same player next season he’s gotta play.

August 31, 2012 10:57 pm

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oh god, uribe on deck. they should walk ellis, and don should throw kersh up there to hit.

August 31, 2012 10:57 pm

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Putz – pre all-star break 4.50 ERA.  
Post all-star break 0.00.
 

August 31, 2012 10:59 pm

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Ouch
 

August 31, 2012 10:59 pm

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go enjoy your get away howard…

August 31, 2012 11:01 pm

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I’m sick to my stomach.  5 in the loss column might as well be Mt Kilimanjaro…

August 31, 2012 11:02 pm

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On that note, good night all – take a shot of whiskey and try to forget.  There’s always tomorrow…

August 31, 2012 11:04 pm

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Victorino 0-4, Gonzalez 0-5, Kemp 0-4, Ethier 1-4.  Cruz is the only one with two hits – guess which one ISN’T a multi-millionaire.

August 31, 2012 11:06 pm

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Love the anniversary baseball, “Howie”, and congratulations.  I’m going to spend the next three hours a bit more pleasantly than watching the Dodgers flail helplessly at major league pitching, however.
Have a great vacation, regardless.  Tell Beth we all wish you both the very best.

September 1, 2012 6:22 pm

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heading to dinner soon. we’re an inning in, saturday night.

September 1, 2012 6:25 pm

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@Johnny Dodger thanks, john. we’re in san juan capistrano, watching for the swallows…to dump their load over angel land…

September 1, 2012 6:26 pm

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this looks bad already. already!

September 1, 2012 6:31 pm

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going to dinner now. take over, john. bring me home to a lead PLEASE!

September 1, 2012 6:35 pm

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Dare I say it… a lead.

September 1, 2012 6:51 pm

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 @DeathByYoungblood
 looks gone now….

September 1, 2012 7:55 pm

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yes andre finally

September 1, 2012 8:18 pm

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saw the homer in the restaurant, and just got back. so beckett must’ve pitched well, no? I didn’t see much, but of what I saw he looked good?

September 1, 2012 8:52 pm

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insurance runs….lets go dodgers

September 1, 2012 8:58 pm

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that’s on gonzalez and kemp. you gotta score that run there, and both guys hit really weak fly balls. but ok, let’s see if they can get a save. please dodgers!

September 1, 2012 9:04 pm

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 @Howard Cole
 hold that line…

September 1, 2012 9:05 pm

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 @Howard Cole
 wrong sport

September 1, 2012 9:06 pm

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I’m worried. new closer, his first chance, and a leadoff single after blowing a chance to score.

September 1, 2012 9:07 pm

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kind of when it rains it pours. you almost expect them to lose here.

September 1, 2012 9:07 pm

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league does look a lot better than he did a couple weeks ago. that’s worth something, right?

September 1, 2012 9:08 pm

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big out. they should sent the runner.

September 1, 2012 9:11 pm

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now the double play.

September 1, 2012 9:11 pm

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two down!

September 1, 2012 9:13 pm

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he throws a lot harder than kenley. I like him.

September 1, 2012 9:14 pm

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jump for joy

September 1, 2012 9:15 pm

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bleep yeah! made my vacation that much better. thanks for showing up, randy!

September 1, 2012 9:15 pm

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 @Howard Cole
 go get busy its business time…

September 1, 2012 9:16 pm

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I turned it on in the 4th and watched a typical Dodger inning – two men on, nobody out, and not a run scored. Turned it back off.
Turned it on in the 8th, Victorino on third, nobody out – and no run scored.
Still helplessly flailing away…”lame”.
Watched the end and got to see a win, anyway.

September 1, 2012 9:22 pm

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@Johnny Dodger I know. it’s amazing. but gonzalez will be fine. it’s only one week. anyone can slump for a week. hopefully he gets it going tomorrow and they take two outta three. for tonight I’ll feel good.

September 1, 2012 9:29 pm

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 @Howard Cole  Somebody around here was saying he’d eventually be the closer.  Of course, I didn’t think it would take a heart condition for it to happen.

September 1, 2012 10:36 pm

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 @Howard Cole  @Johnny Yes, Howard, but in the last week, the Dodgers have lost 6 games.  If this was the first half it wouldn’t be so critical – now they simply cannot afford to lose 6 games weekly (I should say “weakly”).  There’s not much time nor many games left for these stars to “find themselves”.
Besides, I’ve been cursing the Dodgers for more years than you’ve been alive -  many times I would hear my dad, who was a serious Dodger fan all his life, turning off his radio with a disgusted “damned sad sack Dodgers”.  That’s exactly what I am feeling.

September 2, 2012 10:49 am

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I’m here if anyone wants to thread.

September 2, 2012 1:21 pm

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Kemper!!! Here come the Dodgers!

September 2, 2012 1:36 pm

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the commish’s guy is a piece of shit.

September 2, 2012 2:09 pm

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nice first inning for paul maholm in atlanta. he made 41 pitches and gave up five to the phils, which is good for us, and way worse than chris capuano, who has now gone five innings.

September 2, 2012 2:29 pm

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comeon dodgers wake up…

September 2, 2012 3:05 pm

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@rotarandy hey randy. another tough ballgame. tolleson has nothing today. I can already see it. he’s up and down, either great or awful, never anything in between. we just got to within a run and immediately he’s in trouble

September 2, 2012 3:11 pm

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 @Howard Cole  @rotarandy
 more than trouble.

September 2, 2012 3:18 pm

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@rotarandy that coulda been a lot worse. looked like a two or three run inning, so here we go in the bottom of the seventh.

September 2, 2012 3:22 pm

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ok easy double

September 2, 2012 3:23 pm

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yes

September 2, 2012 3:26 pm

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there you go! that’s the victorino I’ve been waiting to see. ok. now steal second. or better yet, two run homer for the slumping adrian. come on man!

September 2, 2012 3:26 pm

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kemp’s pissed at himself. he knows he should’ve let that pitch go by. he was ahead on the count and just went fishing on that ball, when he could’ve waited for another pitch. but ok. we still got two more chances….assuming guerrier give that run right back.

September 2, 2012 3:35 pm

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 @Howard Cole
 one more chance

September 2, 2012 3:48 pm

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a moral victory for some of us. mattingly finally finally finally hits for treanor. with three catchers there’s no reason for him ever to play again, but at least we got him out of there this one time. one more chance or they’re 5 1/2 back of the giants.

September 2, 2012 3:48 pm

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close game and had to drop in

September 2, 2012 4:09 pm

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let the wild rukus begin

September 2, 2012 4:14 pm

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Came just in time to see the boys on the thread get happy

September 2, 2012 4:14 pm

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Howard won’t be moping around the house tonight.  However, he may eat too much from pure glee.  :)

September 2, 2012 4:15 pm

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yep. that was pretty bleeping fun. and a two game winning streak. good games, good weekend. I like jj putz, but I could tell he had a blown save coming. it’s like he was in trouble all weekend and they finally got to him.

I’m still on vacation, so I’ll enjoy the last night in the oc. back in plenty of time for tomorrow’s win over the pads.

September 2, 2012 4:18 pm

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 @Howard Cole
 ENJOY

September 2, 2012 4:25 pm

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WOO-HOO….BLUE!!!!
 

September 2, 2012 4:58 pm

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Was listening to that in the car on a drive back from the beach.  Made the ride home quite a bit more pleasant.  It’s September – win or go home.

September 2, 2012 5:18 pm

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Great – didn’t have to say “Damned sad sack Dodgers”! Have a good night now, Howard.

September 2, 2012 10:09 pm

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I hate Scutaro! 9-8.

September 3, 2012 4:59 pm

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I hate Scutaro! 9-8 -  for a lousy Labor Day present.

September 3, 2012 5:00 pm

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